“Ah. Passion, puppy love, promise…”
I had an outing on Sunday with my friend Valerie and I gushed on and on about my husband (he stayed at home to diligently do taxes like a good boy.) Valerie probably should have told me to shut up.
You wouldn’t look to a 2 year old for marriage advice, right?
I thought we were beyond the timeframe to be considered newlyweds but we looked up the actual duration of newlyweds during the natural flow of conversation. Apparently, the time length you are considered a newlywed seems to vary wildly depending on who you ask. We thought newlyweds lasted 3 months and then you’re a regular married couple after…but according to other sources, it could be as long as 4 years!
OK, well, Mr. Hippo and I are definitely newlyweds then. I did not know that. We’re still green enough that there is a word specifically designed to alert the others how green we are in the field of marriage.
Well, that puts things in perspective…a lot.
I know we’re young but it feels like I’ve known him for so long (every freakin’ young couple has said that once, and now I’m saying it myself.) I really think we’re meant for each other and we’ll never get divorced or anything (AGAIN, every freakin’ young couple has said this, and now I’m saying it myself.)
Table of Contents
Code word…PMPM
I hate hate hate receiving the “OMG, did you know so-and-so, yeah, yeah, apparently they’re getting divorced, so surprised.”
That kind of news stays with me for days and weeks after – EVEN if I didn’t know who they were directly! I would feel really sad. It’s not something I wish on my own worst enemy on the worst day of the worst year. The kiddie movies didn’t prepare me for NON-happy endings.
I totally doubt my husband and I would end up divorced someday. We’re not the type to…do that. Right??? We’re dorky, frugal, shy, socially awkward, we still laugh at fart jokes…
“You’re newlyweds, you’re in love, God bless–you know nothing.”- Marie Barone
That show has never steered me wrong. Everybody Loves Raymond was also my kidhood’s highest exposure to what marriage was supposed to be like………..hmmm.
So I know nothing…OK since I can’t and won’t know what our relationship will be in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years…the only thing I can do is….preemptive marriage preservation measures!!! Or I call PMPM 🙂
Related: I have more stupid shorthands…The 13 Status Symbols Of FUMCPWCDJ&RPF…
These are the things that we do at least once or twice a month to keep us on the same grounds. They all cost next to nothing too. I listed these specifically because out of all the things we do, these are probably the most important to me in terms of relationship building.
1. Financial Check-In Time
The cornerstone of a good marriage is being on the same financial page – and that’s not me talking – that’s the same principle advice I’ve read from personal finance and/or marriage experts.
We do our bi-monthly budgets together. It doesn’t have to be done together but…wait — it totally does need to be done together. He coded the spreadsheet inputs in his magical math language and I am the one that does the spending. If there was a $3.35 charge, we need both people to decipher and record. Now playing accountant doesn’t sound very romantic but it’s my favorite activity. That’s why I listed it first. If you like roller coasters and swimming, naturally, the inter-aquatic rides at Seaworld would be right up your alley. I like my husband and I like finance on any topic so it’s double the fun.
Related: The Gray Area Of Making Financial Decisions In A Marriage
2. Grocery Shopping
If you offered me $100,000 on the table if I denied the option of grocery shopping with my husband for the rest of my natural life…I would turn down that offer and choose to be able to go grocery shopping with my husband.
I can’t resist continuing my decimalization thesis on my husband’s love for beets. He loves beets. BEETS! The staining red stuff that tastes like dirt. I find that massively disgusting.
But still, I would choose that occasion to go grocery shopping with him.
You find out a lot about a person when you wander around the store with them.
My husband thinks that’s weird though.
“Why is it fun going grocery shopping with me?”
“I don’t know, you’re there and it’s fun to ask you about what you think of this item/price/purchase/sale/color/taste/use/brand. You learn a lot about a person and their spending habits from a regular trip to the grocer.”
Plus, it’s completely free to dawdle in a grocery store. It’s fun, it’s free, and it’s pretty frugal because groceries are relatively inexpensive and serve a good purpose of keeping you fed.
We use to cruise around Sam’s Club or tag along with our friend to Costco to get free samples and roam around. It sounds really lame but that’s how poor kids like me grew up dealing with the boredom. It’s not like shopping is only limited to groceries – if your spending habits match up then it makes all different kinds of decision making easier. To me, grocery shopping is the perfect playground to test your decision making and spending skills.
So I guess grocery shopping is probably a weird bonding activity but I FULLY stand by it.
Related: How We Save On Groceries (Lessons After 6 Months Of Receipts!)
3. Couple’s Lunch / Date Night
Our date night on the weekends kept getting interrupted by little things. After we made date night mandatory…we actually only made it to date night 33% of the time. Eesh.
Like a few weeks ago our dog Grace sprang her paw on a walk we decided to stay at home with her. No one saw that coming, that’s life.
I was not willing to let go of date night. Hubby was the one that bought up the idea of date night because he missed having meals together. It’s very important to be able to sit across the table from each other and hold a conversation.
Thankfully, his employer offers 2 free lunch passes every month. It won’t make up for our bad record with date nights and the bus ride to his work is almost 1 hour long – but it’s still worth it going. I get to stop by the Oooooooogle office and eat a super yummy, super free lunch with him.
Sometimes I see people bring their spouse and babies to eat a meal together. It’s heartwarming. More workplaces should encourage this because it’s so good for work-life balance.
4. Phoning Parents
In my case, phoning Hubby’s parents, my in-laws. At first, it was really weird talking on the phone with two people who gave birth to…the guy I’m tied to for life….yet at the same time I didn’t know much about them…(so weird) but now I feel more comfortable with them on the phone. We phone them often together to wish them a happy birthday or just to check in on new developments. We’re fortunate to have older parents who we can pick brains with. They have years of experience with us and we trust their advice. Hubby talks to his mother and father about investing/finance, topics about child-rearing and home maintenance and it helps both of us stay in the loop together longer when we’re phoning them together.
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5. Long, Guilt-Free Naps
Our Saturday was miraculous. We’re selling our rental soon so there’s a long list of chores to do but…on Saturday, we threw responsibilities in the wind and slept most of the day. Guilt-free…kinda.
You know those people who only need 6 hours of sleep and yet they function just fine?
That’s not fair brah!!!
We are both huge, huge snoozers. I’ve slept for 13.5 hours straight in one sitting before and that was the only time I told myself “oh yes, I finally got enough sleep.” If I get anything less than 9 hours of sleep, the best I can be is 80% functioning. The same goes for Hubby because his work requires lots of laborious problem solving and thinking skills.
We have recently come to terms with our character flaw so every Saturday will become an actual…Saturday! Guilt-free snoozes, even when we have chores, it’s pushed to Sunday.
Everyone should do this to avoid an early grave, that’s my 2 cents. For that one day a week, on one of those holy 7 days, there should be a special time spent doing zero, nada, nothing in your cotton underwear. We’re not meant to go-go-go like this! Americans are workaholics and spendaholics and it’s terrible on so many levels.
6. Cooking Together
The tragedy here is my husband is not a foodie or even a diverse cook. He is one of those people who can keep eating the same thing over, and over, and over again without getting tired of it. Before I came along, 80% of what he ate was zucchini and pasta. Over and over.
But that doesn’t stop us from cooking together on the weekends. When we cook together, he is my kitchen helper and the chief pot scrubber. He can open jars, lift heavy pots, and chop garlic. Eventually, after he retires early, we would be around each other more and likely cooking a lot more together too, so I’m telling him we should cook more meals together on the weekends as an addition to date night.
If things are rough in the kitchen (which requires coordination and teamwork) then other things will be rough too – that’s my newlywed, know-nothing theory.
7. Help With Blog
I don’t always cover easy listicles like this. Sometimes, the subject matter is a little more complicated and I have to talk it out with him. We mash our brains and opinions together…discussing what happened and our thoughts about it. It really is like being married to your best friend 🙂 I talked to Hubby about Dumb Luck before I started writing about it because he is really good at organizing whereas I’m not. He helps me organize my thoughts so it’s a little easier to follow along on my rants.
By the way…I would be lying if I said I know exactly what I’m doing with this website. Every time I try to sound professional and treat The Frugal Gene like a business…LOL. I mean…c’monnn I’m a dork. After 11 months of blogging, that advice about treating it like a business = spot on. But I failed that and I totally quit that idea, not for me. I can’t help who I am. Why don’t you just make me go back to school to write papers! If I have something to say, I’m going to. That’s what I assume a blog was originally supposed to be. Love it or lump it!
This is the personal finance-ish diary of a mad woman and I’m hoping to keep this alive as a diary. Hubby works in the background of the blog – he is very helpful and supportive of me trying to splatter out who I am/keeping a journal of our life. I’ll try to update this post if Hubby and I do get divorced one day…hopefully, not soon, I still like him a lot right now. >_<
Conclusion
The only thing I’ve got is some preemptive marriage preservation measures to act as the canary in the coal mine. I think preemptive marriage preservation measures are simply a vehicle allowing time for check-ins. Find a few things or frugal hobbies you like to do (puzzle game, reading, rock climbing, blogging) and find a way to incorporate your partner into those activities. It’s good for bonding and building relationship with a strong foundation in the long term.
The cost of activities matters too. What if your family fell on financial hardship but your couple bonding activities are rather posh and no longer an option under monetary stress?
I read a lot about keeping all lines of communication open – great advice. But I also read that sometimes people can change and drift apart etc. so it’s not any person’s fault if a marriage were to fail. No matte what, you need PMPM because a relationship must be maintained. Take the time out to enjoy each other and spend time with each other. So no one is divorce-proof even if everything is hunky dory right now. Thanks to Ms. Frugal Asian for injecting me with a bit of paranoia, realism, and horror to that possibility with her post.
freddy smidlap says
i’m still trying to figure out this whole blog thing. i don’t even know how to build an email list or that type of stuff. i’m holding off on what i think is some good material until i can get a few things in place. i know i can figure it out but the lazy gene prevents me doing it and i don’t want to fire my best bullets to an audience of none. saturday naps are the best!
Lily says
The setting up is a bit of work, you should check on Rockstar Finance to start and get registered on there! https://forums.rockstarfinance.com
The Poor Swiss says
Thanks a lot for these tips!
I’m a soon-to-be married guy and I think some of these tips will be really helpful. I totally agree with #1, it’s very important to be on the same page. As for #5, both my fiancee and I like cooking, so we are definitely going to cook together regularly.
Thanks
Lily says
I’m going to make a joke and you have to forgive me: Do you cook with swiss cheese?
The Poor Swiss says
haha 🙂
I’ll forgive you that one easily 🙂
I definitely don’t cook with what is called Swiss cheese in English 😉 But I cook with good cheese.
When I was in the US, I always wondered why they would call this Swiss cheese. Especially since Cheese is much better in Switzerland than in the US.
Ms. Frugal Asian Finance says
Oh no I didn’t mean to scare you with that post. It actually made me sad for weeks and months too. I still feel sad thinking about it. It’s even worse for me since I see pictures of my friend and her daughter on FB from time to time. Just the two of them 🙁
I think your marriage is pretty solid. We’ve been through lots of ups and downs. Sometimes I’m still amazed Mr. FAF and I are still together. One time I had a dream where we got divorced. I then remarried but still kept calling Mr. FAF on the phone but couldn’t reach him although my mom told me not to. I then told her I couldn’t forget about Mr. FAF and wanted him back. I told Mr. FAF about this in the morning, and he was like “Who’s that guy?” lol I had no idea who it was. Just some random dude.
We also do lots of the things you and Jared do except for naps on Saturdays and help with the blog. Mr. FAF can nap almost every day, but I just can’t unless I’m truly exhausted. And you know what it’s like with the blog hehe. We like going to Asian grocery store and Costco together. It’s fun to look at stuff and to discuss what we want to eat together. 😀
Lily says
You told me two divorce stories! One of your coworker and the one from the post! I think the 11-year marriage one scared me the most. 11 years is a long time to call it quits, like dang….what happened. 🙁 I’m too young for this topic and I don’t know anyone who has gone through it. All my friends aren’t even married.
He should help with the blog more! I talk to Jared to get my mind straight – just to talk, nothing technical.
Angela @ Tread Lightly Retire Early says
We’ll hit 10 years next year, so I would say we are well past the newlywed stage 😉 Because our relationship started long distance and I was the one living close-ish to home at the time, I got to know his parents (especially his mother) very well. It’s so awesome to have a mother in law that I adore, and I think the time we got to spend just the two of us early on while my husband was across the country really helped to set us up for a strong relationship. And she’s the perfect person to complain to if my husband is pissing me off lol
Lily says
That’s so rare Angela, a good and personal relationship with the guy’s mom!! Blessings!
Dave @ Married with Money says
I approve of this list. I think I would take the money and avoid the shopping thing though haha
Lily says
I originally wrote $1 million but I thought no one would believe me…I really like grocery shopping with the guy..xD
Brad - Financial Life Planning says
We don’t do #4, but we do the others. Have survived 24 years of marriage so far and still happily in love! Looking forward to the next 24! 🙂
Lily says
And many moreeeee!!! So cute!
Mrs Adventure Rich says
Yes to all of this! Especially long naps… 🙂
There are definitely a lot of simple and enjoyable things you can do with a spouse that helps you create further knowledge and intimacy without fancy date nights or over the top vacations. Great list!
Lily says
Yes to day-long naps (I guess that’s just sleep right…xD)
Joe @ Retire by 40 says
Awww… How sweet. You guys are doing very well. Keep working on your relationship. That’s the key. Nice job so far.
I think the only important thing that isn’t on your list is to give each other some space once in a while. Mrs. RB40 goes visit her parents once in a while without me and I’m okay with that. We rarely go shopping together these days. She usually wants to do a few things around the house. Some space is good, but that can wait until you’re not newlyweds anymore. 🙂
Lily says
Ohnhhhh! I did miss that completely!! Once again, experience trumps newlyweds. I think I do get a bit clingy sometimes.
GYM says
Great list! We are newlyweds too. Alone time is nice- I agree with Joe! Also making time together. We alternate a ‘date day’ plan for each other every month (yeah, we can’t do weekly, it’s too much!) and we plan an activity for each other that we think the other would like. I organized snow shoe and a movie matinee (he got two dates this month!), except the snow shoe included our baby so I guess it was a family day.
Lily says
I was feeling guilty we couldn’t do every weekend, good to hear it’s normal. Family day is just as good!!
Mr. 39 months says
good ones. I think Mrs. 39 Months and I do most of these, including grocery shopping together. Date nights are each Friday. We don’t talk a lot about finances, because Mrs. 39 Months isn’t very interested (but she is very frugal). We cook together sometimes (like last night) but not all the time.
Good luck on your marriage. 32 years for us!
Mr. 39 Months
Lily says
No finance talk?! Is it just you who handles the dollar dollar bills?
Kris says
This is great list. I definitely like that you stop by your husband’s work to take advantage of the free lunch. We haven’t had too many date nights since we had BwC, the only ones we have nowadays is take out at In N Out and free samples at Costco,, which blends in with grocery shopping together…hehe!!
Lily says
That’s the perfect date lunch! In n Out and Costco!
Adam @ Minafi says
Nice list! Taking time to go to the grocery store together is a goog one in the frugal + fun column – at least if you’ll have a second set of eyes on purchases as opposed to an accomplish.
I wonder how time before marriage works for the “newlywed” moniker? We’ve gotten many “you know nothing” looks when we mention we were just married, but sometimes can’t easily m nation the previous 12 years living together.
Lily says
Woah! 12 years living together?!?! Oh you guys are totally not newlyweds, get out Adam!! ;]
NZ Muse says
A couple of my high school friends wound up divorced quite quickly, and tbh I used to think divorce = personal failure but I’ve come to see it’s not that simple. Thankfully they didn’t have kids.
We’re coming up to 5 years (and over 10 total). I definitely hope it’s forever but I also know from our separation where the limits lie and what I am not willing to deal with. As long as we are making each other’s lives better, and growing together rather than apart, that’s the key IMO.
Lily says
Mature overall perspective NZ! We’ve only been together total for 3…really nothing and we had to go through some growing pains with each other. I hope it’s all forever too.
Kristyna says
I absolutely LOVE grocery shopping with my husband too!! There’s just something to be said about the meandering around and all the fun things to look at and grocery carts to ride on, etc.
Also, naps=yes. However, now that we have 3 little kids there’s not so much napping anymore. ? I am tired.
Lily says
Haha omg, finally some support for meandering around a bunch of FOOD!
Nap time will be up in less than 18 years Kristyna! Hang in there! xD
Mr. MFC @ Morning Fresh Cent says
Great tips Lily to how to continue to build your marriage relationship. Mrs. MFC and I better get on more of these excellent my ideas. Wwe have different off days so it can be tricky. Futurity we still have date night together. ?
Dr. McFrugal says
I really like the idea of calling each other’s parents. I think it’s really sweet and something that my wife and I should try more often. My wife does help me a little bit with my blog. Sometimes I wish she would help me even more because she is a much better writer than me!
Lily says
Blogs are work, you do need a partner in crime as long as she’s available!
Leo T. Ly says
I definitely reminisce the time that I was a newly wed. Life without kids and the freedom to do what we wish. Take that Saturday nap whenever you can and really enjoy them until those monsters that we called kids come along. You’ll be lucky if you get seven hours of sleep.
I definitely like the idea of cooking together. I use to cook for her during our university days. This was probably one of the reasons why she married me.
the Budget Epicurean says
Wow, I didn’t know we get to claim ‘newlywed’ status for 4 years either! It feels like the second you’re back from the honeymoon everyone’s “over it” and you’re an old married couple, or maybe that’s just me haha This is an excellent list. We also love little moments and routines to slow down and check in with each other on issues big and small. We try to take a walk together every evening, before or after dinner, and it’s amazing what you end up talking about sometimes.
Lily says
Oh I forgot to put down walk! That’s a great idea, we need to do it more often xD